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posted November 16, 2001 04:52 PM    
Greetings --

This is my first day here (November 16, 2001) at this forum and this is my first post!

On a Sports-BaseBall Forum (Fanhome.com), they have a free-for-all section where any topic can be discussed. A fan put up this thread "Pick your All-Time Star Trek Dream Crew"

The fan suggested these categories --
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Ship
Captain
1st officer
Engineer
Helmsman
Doctor
Chief of Security
Additional regular character(s) who doesn't fit the above!

Recurring good character(s) (guy/gal)
Recurring bad character(s) (guy/gal)
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Folks weren't specificly asked to keep choices confined to the above, but most did when they responded. You can deviate a little bit if you like.

Thanx-A-Lot, Enjoy and God Bless Vespucci-Land, Frank-0-Sport

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posted November 16, 2001 04:55 PM    
Brace Yourselves -- these are my choices and I do a LOT of deviation !!!!
DISCLAIMER: I have not really watched the ENTERPRISE series AT ALL, so no characters from it are represented here!

Ship: The Run-A-Bouts -- There should be two in every garage; Beats Metro Rush Hour in any millenium!

Captain: Tie - Picard-Sisko-Janeway

First Officer: Tie - Cmdr Elizabeth Shelby (Best of Both Worlds, part 2); DS9's Kira Nerys;
Majel Barrett's "Number One" in the pilot "The Cage" -- aka - "The Menagerie"

Doctor: All The Ones I've Seen (McCoy, Crusher, Polaski, Bashir, HoloGram Man)

Navigator: Ambassador Kolos, "No Truth in Beauty". Anyone who can find their way out of a void is #1 in my book.

Helmsman: Hikaru Sulu.
Honorable Mention: Lt. Monroe in Next Gen's "Disaster". Before she died, she aligned the ship to prevent catastrophic damage.

Nurse: Kes (Voyager). She heals with thought power! Try topping that!

Communications: Uhura! She's got the pipes, baby! -- AND STILL DOES!

Computer: The Slaver Weapon (1973 animated series). "When I am off, I have no sense of passing tyyimmmme!"
Now THAT is Pure Machine Logic at its best!

Tactical: Tasha Yar in "Yesterday's Enterprise"

Security: Tie - Worf; Odo

Engineering: Tie -- Scotty; Geordi; O'Brien

Counselor: TIE - Deanna Troi (better curves); Guinan (better hours)

The Bar: That poor, hapless bartender in "The Trouble with Tribbles". (surprise!)

Ship's Would-be Detective: Lt. Cmdr Data. Elementary, my dear Trekkites.

Ship's Cat: The Tiger from the TOS episode "Shore Leave" (apologies to Data's pet cat Spot).

Ship's Funniest Laugher: Lt. Cmdr Data in TNG's "Deja Q"
DISCLAIMER (in voice of F. Murray Abraham): That was not Data laughing. It was Q laughing at Picard thru that hideous, obscene giggle.

Model Rocket Builder who breathed new life into Hobby and Toy Stores everywhere: Zefram Cochrane, of course!!!

A Certain Character's Quote - One of many things we Trek Fans wish we could know the resolution of:   "Oh God, What I'd Love To Show You" -- Beverly Crusher to Jean-Luc Picard in the TNG Year One episode "The Naked Now".

Best & most important episode: "Yesterday's Enterprise", which created several never really seized upon possibilities.

Best recurring good person: Gene Roddenberry, the Heart and Soul.

Worst recurring bad person Entities who did not realize certain paths and directions that Trek (especially TNG) could venture off to!

Thanx-A-Lot, Enjoy and God Bless Vespucci-Land, Frank-0-Sport


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posted November 16, 2001 07:01 PM    
Dyson's dream cast and ship...

Ship - U.S.S. ENTERPRISE-C (love the look of that ship!Kicked ass!) or U.S.S. RELIANT - A

Captain - Will Riker or Janeway
First Officer - Chekov or Spock
Helmsman - Data or Tom Paris
Enginner - O'Brien or Scotty
Doctor - Hologram Doc or McCoy
Security - Wolf or Tasha Yar

STARGAZER
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posted November 21, 2001 09:58 AM    
Ship: Enterprise D
Captain: my first choice will be Picard but Iíd love to see Data in the captainís chair
1st officer: Geordi will be good but also Jadzia Dax
Engineer: Belana Torres will be my choice she loves her job.
Doctor: Crusher was so maternal I think thatís the way a doctor should be; she also always was willing to help.
Chief of Security: my first choice will be Odo after him Tasha Yar and Worf.
Recurring good character(s) (guy/gal) guy will have to be Q and gal will be Guinan.
Recurring bad character(s) (guy/gal) guy Gul Dukat and girl will be Sesca.

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posted November 21, 2001 12:37 PM    
I still say it's practically impossible to beat the original crew...but in the interest of inclusion, I'll try and reach beyond the Magnificent Seven:

Ship: USS Enterprise 1701 (final refit...STTMP - ST3)

Captain: Ed Jellico (TNG's "Chains of Command," played by Ronny Cox)
First Officer: Spock (TOS)
Engineer: Montgomery Scott (TOS)
Helmsman: Hikaru Sulu (TOS)
Doctor: Leonard H. McCoy, MD (TOS)
Chief of Security: Malcolm Reed (ENT)

Additional crew:
Navigator: Ilia (STTMP)
Tactical: Worf (TNG)

Recurring good guy: Sarek (TOS-TNG)
Recurring bad guy: Romulan Commander Tomalak (TNG)

Grason, AYS

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posted November 22, 2001 03:14 AM    
Excellent choices Grason. Ed Jelico was brilliant, if a bit of a bastard.

Ship USS Prometheus

Captain: Picard, can't change him as I think he's great.

1st Officer: Chakotay, again thought he was great.

Science Officer: Data, you know it makes sense.

Engineer: Chief O'brien, to be sure, he's agrand ol' Irish fella.

Helmsman: Tom Paris, he can fly, no doubt about that.

Doctor: McCoy. no one else comes close, though I would like the EMH to come in now and then.

Chief of Security: Worf, Hard as nails.

Additional characters: Good old Ensign Yates would make a comeback and I'd have Harry Kim somewhere as well.

Recurring good guy: Q, as I don't think he's a bad guy anymore.

Recurring good gal: 7 of 9, she looks to damn good to leave out.

Recurring bad guy: Weyoun, I know the Domian war is over, he's just such a cool bad ass.

recurring bad gal: Evil Romulan Yar.

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posted December 14, 2001 11:56 PM    
Thanx to all those who have replied so far

Thanx-A-Lot, Enjoy, Happy Holidays and God Bless Vespucci-Land,
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Aesiron
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posted December 16, 2001 01:24 AM    
Ship: Has to be the Prometheus. That ship kicked about 348 different varieties of ass.

Captain: Hmm.. this is a hard one. I am going to have to go with Benjamin Sisko. He was straight up and in your face. I liked that.

1st officer: Chakotay. He would balance Sisko's volatile nature with his own calmn temperament

Engineer: Geordi La Forge.

Helmsman: Data, easily.

Communications Officer: I don't know if it's her first or last name, but Hoshi from Enterprise. I have a thing for Asians.

Doctor: The Holographic Doctor. Leonard McCoy is a close second.

Chief of Security: Pavel Chekov. If I am not mistaken, his character was a Security Chief for a while in the movies. I do not care for Worf and Tuvok is just a bland character to me.

Additional regular character(s): Jadzia Dax. Make her the head of sciences or something.


Recurring bad character(s) (guy/gal) The Romulans. The best Star Trek alien race, hands down. The Q would be a nice addition as well.

Chronoguy
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posted December 16, 2001 05:52 PM    
Here's mine.

Ship USS ENTERPRISE NCC 1701

Captain James R. Kirk

1st officer Number One

Comunications Officer Uhura

Engineer Montgomery Scott

Helmsman Gary Mitchell

Navigator Kevin Riley

Doctor Leonard H. McCoy

Chief of Security Tasha Yar

Yeoman Janice Rand

Additional regular character(s) who doesn't fit the above! Elizabeth Dehner, Helen Noel, Vina, Saavik, Gillian Taylor and Reberta Lincon

Recurring good character(s) (guy/gal) Sarek

Recurring bad character(s) (guy/gal)
Khan Noonien Singh

Tigerius
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posted December 23, 2001 09:21 PM    
Ship - USS Voyager
Captain - Picard (Diplomacy first)
1st officer - Dax (Wisdom of the Ages)
Engineer - Scott (Can always get that extra out)
Helmsman - Data (Jack of all Trades)
Doctor - Bashear (Genetically engineered and brings humour in)
Chief of Security - Garak (Leaving security to the race who know it)
Science Officers - Mr Spock & SevenofNine (Oh the chemistry, oh the knowledge)
Chief Tactical Advisor - Worf (...)
Chief of Away Team - Kirk (anywhere but on the bridge is fine)

Additional regular character(s) who doesn't fit the above!

Recurring good character(s) (guy/gal) Sarek
Recurring bad character(s) (guy/gal) Q

deepsix
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posted December 31, 2001 07:12 AM    
this is my first post on one of these EVER!!! yay me!!!

ok, here goes

Ship: one of the old Klingon battlecruisers

Captain: Valeris (if it weren't for that treason thing...)

First Officer: Dr McCoy (i know it doesny make sense, but it would rock...)

Science Officer: Jadzia Dax(just cuz im in love)

Engineer: tough... id say scotty.

Doctor: EMH

Conn: Tom Paris

Security: Ro Laren. she could kick Worf's butt any day.

Recurring Goodie: that guy from Enterprise who's a big rip off of Bones???

Recurring Baddie: i thought Soran had charisma

Thanx all for letting me post.

Storm!
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posted January 06, 2002 12:35 PM    
Captain - Janeway
First Officer - Riker
Helm - Tom Paris
Tactial / Security - Tasha Yar
Chief Engineer - B'Elanna Torres
Doctor - The Doctor
Science Officer - Jadzia Dax
Someone to have around - Guinan
TheDrgnReborn
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posted January 16, 2002 12:34 AM    
Hrm... this was a tough one...

Ship: On pure looks- the Gorn vessel. Anyone ever see that thing? I first saw a pic. of it in an olllld Star Trek board game. It looked mean as Hell. If we're going for the total package, though- the Prometheus. That thing has the capability to be a Dreadnought of some kind. Like crossing the Bismark and the Yamato. Pure Hellfire. That's what I'd call it. USS Hellfire. Honorable mention to the Gunship with Guts: the Defiant.

Captain: Picard. I mean... the man did more than Kirk ever dreamed of. The Borg, Q, Cardassian torture, Romulan half-breeds from an alternate universe, has his own damn Maneuver... He is the perfect Starship Captain.

1st Officer: If you've got Picard, ya gotta have Riker- but only AFTER he grew his beard. He was such a dink before that. Happened with Sisko, too. Anyway... Riker is the perfect Number One, but only with Picard. They're a double act. It's a switcheroo of the first Captain/#1, with the gungho charisma taking a side seat to the cooler intellect.

Engineer: I like O'Brien alot. He's smart, quick thinking, and I think he'd be fun to drink with. But c'mon... who's better than Scotty. That man IS the miracle worker. And ya know what- probably just as fun to drink with. "Well it's uh... it's green."

Helmsman: Data. Honorable mention to Paris and all, but... I'd rather have Data on my ship anyday.

Doctor: This was a tough call. Julian Bashere is engineered to be brilliant. But I gotta go with Crusher. The fact that she's a hot red head doesn't hurt, either. Honorable mention to The Doctor of Voyager. Their scene together in First Contact kicked ass... had me rollin.'

Science Officer: Spock... who else? Also, I'd LOVE to sit in on a Riker, Spock, Scotty, Data poker match. Oh, the possibilities...

Security Chief: The double act of Worf and Odo. Worked on DS9, it'd work on a ship.

Communications: I'm with Aesiron on this... Hoshi all the way. I can't imagine how many IQ points it takes to do her job. Plus she's hot... what can I say?

Bartender: Quark. He was funny, and 9 times out of 10, a pretty stand up guy. Takes guts to fight a Klingon when you're only 5'4" or so, no matter what kind of help you're gettin. Plus... It's always good to have a good hook up around, nudge-nudge, wink-wink, ya know-ya know?

Reoccuring Bad Guys: Again, a shout to the Gorn. What happened with them? They got that one episode and poof! they're gone? What's up with that? Are they the Kesier Sosez of races or something? WTF?

Reoccuring Good Guys: Guinan, since I din't have her at the Bar. I'd love to see Guinan walking into a bar run by Quark... oh man... Are you listening, Screenwriters?

For what it's worth.....

[This message has been edited by TheDrgnReborn (edited January 16, 2002).]

FrankoSport
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posted March 27, 2002 06:20 PM    
Let's Keep Dreaming On, all your Trekkies, Trekkers, TrekToids and TrekTights!

Thanx-A-Lot, Enjoy and God Bless Vespucci-Land, Frank-0-Sport

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fatboyjay
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posted March 28, 2002 03:31 PM    
So this Topic thread is *so* old, but here is my dream team:

Ship: Prometheus
Capt: Will Riker
1st: Saavik
Cheif Engineer: Miles O'Brien
Science Officer: Seven of Nine
Navigator: Wesley Crusher (grown-up!)
Helmsman: Tom Paris
Tactical: Tuvok
Doctor: Julian Bashir
Chief of Security: Worf

Regularly Recurring Characters:

Guinan in a Ten-Forward type bar, Kes in sick bay.

Occasional characters:

Spock, Q, Sisko-WormholeAlien-Whatever, Admiral Janeway, Capt. Picard, any romulans.

Bobjw
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posted April 02, 2002 12:36 PM    
Ship: the Enterprise D. This ship was designed beautifully by Andrew Probert and Rick Sternbach, the bridge was best bridge ever.

Captain: Riker, I'm promoting him because he is my favorite Trek character.

1st officer: Commander Shelby (Best of Both Worlds)

Engineer: Geordi (with his visor), I love Levar Burton's acting.

Helmsman: Wesley Crusher, this kid could get himself out of anything.

Doctor: McCoy, he always put Kirk in his place and brought a real human perspective to things.

Chief of Security: Worf, He and Commander Riker were much better friends than they let on.

Operations Officer: Data, this guy is amazing, and you can't have Geordi without Data.

Recurring Good Character(guy): Admiral Picard

Recurring Good Character(gal): Deanna Troi, as Riker's Wife

Recurring Bad Character(guy): The Romulan Tomeluk

FrankoSport
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posted September 18, 2002 05:41 PM    
Greetings --

Take Your Best Shot Trekoids and Trekites

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posted September 19, 2002 02:59 PM    
Ship: USS Prometheus NX-59650 (VOY: Message in a Bottle). The latest in Starfleet tech. Regenerative Shielding and Ablative Armor. Multi-vector Assault Mode. Ya can't beat that.

Captain: Capt. Benjamin Sisko

1st officer: Saavik

Engineer: Montgomery Scott

OPS/Communications/Sci. Off.: Data

Helmsman: Tom Paris

Doctor: Beverly Crusher

Chief of Security: Odo

Recurring Characters:
Garak (neutral)
Tomalak (bad)

Guest Appearances:
Nog, Spock, Captain Riker, the Mirror Universe

GC34
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posted September 21, 2002 02:32 AM    
Ship: Voyager
Captain: Picard
1st Officer: Riker or Chakotay
Engineer: Scotty
Helm: Wesley Crusher or Tom Paris
Doctor: McCoy or Beverly Crusher
Security: Worf (canít beat a Klingon)
Science Officer: Data
Bartender: Guinan

Other Characters: Just about anybody who isnít on the above list.

FrankoSport
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posted January 08, 2003 02:46 AM    
Greetings and Happy New Year

Thanx-A-Lot, FrankoSport

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posted January 08, 2003 03:32 AM    
Ship: USS Enterprise A

Captain: Admiral Nechayev ( I'm a sucka for tough bitches and this chicks got balls )

1st Officer: Kira Nerys ( as I said, tough bitches rock )

Science Officer: Spock ( cool and logical, a perfect counterpoint to Nechayev n Kira )

Engineer: Montgomery 'Scotty' Scott ( _the_ greatest starship engineer _ever_ )

Helmsman: Ro Laren ( a female helmsman and she'd be a perfect counterpoint to Kira )

Doctor: Leonard 'Bones' McCoy ( where will this ship be without the McCoy/Spock sniping matches ? )

Chief of Security: Worf ( shoot first and ask questions later )

Counselor: Ezri Dax ( for sheer cuteness _and_ she didn't need to use telepathy to do her job properly )

Miscellanious crewmembers: Lieutenant Barclay, Ensign Taitt, Ensign Salazar, Lieutenant Barnaby, Ensign Helen Blake and Ensign Tess Allenby

Additional characters:

Recurring good guy: Hugh of Borg ( can we say sweepstakes ? )

Recurring good gal: Ambassador Cretak ( the Romulan diplomat assigned to DS9 )( as she was played by Adrienne Barbeau )

Recurring bad gal 1: Mirror Kira ( we lurv a spunky bitch with lesbian tendencies in spandex )

Recurring bad gal 2: The Borg Queen ( well, the Alice Krige one )( we've got Hugh, so we must have the Borg Queen )

Recurring bad guy 1: Lore ( for coolness )

Recurring bad guy 2: Shinzon ( for sheer coolness and as a counterpoint to Cretak )

Miscellanious:

Senator Tal'Aura, Commander Donatra, Chancellor Martok, Colonel Kurn, the President of the Federation

TrekSucksHard
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posted January 08, 2003 05:00 AM    
Well, here would be my choices for an all-star dream crew:

SHIP: Romulan Empire's SCIMITAR Class, newest and most powerful super battleship designed by the Remans, I'd name it after my ship in the Starfleet Command 3 PC game- The FALCHION.

CAPTAIN: No doubt about it, James Tiberius Kirk. The Captain to end all Captains. Mr. Star Trek himself! Extensive combat and diplomatic experience and a hit with the chicks!

FIRST OFFICER: THE Gary Mitchell character in WNMHGB episode- this was a tough choice between Spock and Mitchell but I ultimately chose Mitchell because he is better tactically than Spock, Spock would be my choice as head science officer but he would be senior to Mitchell in rank and therefore cannot be ordered around by him. (If Mitchell didn't die of course- but my alternate choice would be Riker for the same reasons as above).

**note** There was a reorganization of Starfleet since the time of TOS and TNG, helmsmen and navigators were hereby referred to as bridge command specialists; the consoles were designed so that either person at the front could function in case the other was unavailable. Communications and tactical were now handled by security specialists that sat behind the Captain (in a galaxy class starship). Away team members would normally not include the Captain as that would jeopardize the ship's command integrity.

Now, on to the rest of my list:

HELM 1: Sulu- though he was ultimately promoted to Captain of the Excelsior, he is still the best helmsman of the bunch.

HELM 2: Data- As long as he sits there, drives the ship and shut up like any good andriod will do, he is my choice for backup to Sulu.

SCIENCE OFFICER: Spock- The master of analysis would be a great complement and he would be permanently stationed on the bridge.

TACTICAL/COMM: Chekhov- Oh yeah, he is quite good and funny when it comes to dealing death with weapons and he is definitely my choice for that.

ENGINEER: Scotty- The best! no one comes even close to him!

DOCTOR: McCoy with the holographic Doctor on Voyager as an assistant. Now that would make one hell of a comedy team!

BARTENDER: Harry Mudd- The quintessential con-man! You have to bring him back! Trek is no fun without him!

RECURRING GOOD PERSON: Garak- The best character of the TNG timeline and master spy too! Call him the Tailor of Panama!

RECURRING BAD PERSON: Khan Noonian Singh- Quite simply the most complex and best villian Trek has to offer! He learns from his mistakes and would be stronger each time the crew faces him!

CHIEF OF SECURITY: This position would be for intruders on the ship as well as part of the away team will be filled by Odo. He can change shape and he is quite deadly.

AWAY TEAM: (Although Kirk would kill to be leading this team I would keep him at the bridge! no excuses.)

1) Spock
2) Data
3) Odo
4) Holographic Doctor

[This message has been edited by TrekSucksHard (edited January 08, 2003).]

FrankoSport
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posted April 19, 2003 04:22 PM    
Greetings --

Ahh! Springtime in Trekland! How Refreshing!

Thanx-A-Lot, Enjoy and God Bless Vespucci-Land, Frank-0-Sport

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posted April 19, 2003 07:49 PM    
Ship - USS Pegasus (Has a 'phasing cloak', therefore I WIN!)
Captain - Jellico (Starfleet is a military organization, so it should have militaristic captains)
First Officer - Data (Has saved the universe more times than Kirk)
Chief Engineer - Geordi (Brilliance personified)
Helm - Wesley Crusher (Completes the Data/LaForge/Crusher idea ring. These three usually came up with all the solutions to every problem)
Doc - Bones (Gotta have somebody with an actual personality)
Tactical/Security - Tuvok (You want a clear thinker for this position)
Recreation Officer - T'Pol (No comment)

Location - Alpha Quadrant
Time period - Post-Voyager

Bobjw
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posted April 24, 2003 11:46 PM    
quote:
Originally posted by nonagon:
(Starfleet is a military organization, so it should have militaristic captains)

Starfleet is not a military organization, by this time there doesn't exest any human military organizations. Starfleet is an institution whose main mission is to explore, defence is a secondary mission, and it doesn't even think about conquoring anything.

Although Starfleet is based on a militaristic heirarchy, it is not a military organisation itself. This is a very common misconception.

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posted April 26, 2003 11:28 AM    
Captain - Borg       1st officer - Borg       Doctor - Borg

Captain's Love Interest - Borg       Chief of Security - Borg       Engineer - Borg       Navigator - Borg

Just imagine the wacky highjinks!

Captain: "Lieutenant 32 of 944, we love you!"

Love Interest: "We know."

Captain: "What?!! Who told you?!"

Love Interest: "Nobody. We just knew."

Chief of Security: "Hey! What's going on here? Oh wait, nevermind. We know already."


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